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	<title>Comments for The Treasure-House of Pearls</title>
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	<description>A Thelemite's Take on the World Around Him</description>
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		<title>Comment on Allan Bennett’s Initiation Certificate - Real or Fake? by Elijah Franks</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/290#comment-50557</link>
		<author>Elijah Franks</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/290#comment-50557</guid>
		<description>intriguing, i would say you absolutely have the right conclusion of this muck up. 
unfortunately its very pleasing to the eye, but im just a sucker for occult imagery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intriguing, i would say you absolutely have the right conclusion of this muck up.<br />
unfortunately its very pleasing to the eye, but im just a sucker for occult imagery</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by Keith418</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50556</link>
		<author>Keith418</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50556</guid>
		<description>More on monotheism vs. polytheism &lt;a href="http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/debenoist/alain10.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on monotheism vs. polytheism <a href="http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/debenoist/alain10.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by jlcrow</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50551</link>
		<author>jlcrow</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50551</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by jlcrow</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50550</link>
		<author>jlcrow</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50550</guid>
		<description>"competition for the same resources"

Schwartz discusses these aspects - especially in terms of land. She discusses it under the heading of "scarcity." Her solution is to imagine plentitude. While nice in her utopian world, imagining there is more, say oil in the world, isn't going to make it appear. She is, at times, living in a fantasy world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;competition for the same resources&#8221;</p>
<p>Schwartz discusses these aspects - especially in terms of land. She discusses it under the heading of &#8220;scarcity.&#8221; Her solution is to imagine plentitude. While nice in her utopian world, imagining there is more, say oil in the world, isn&#8217;t going to make it appear. She is, at times, living in a fantasy world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by jlcrow</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50549</link>
		<author>jlcrow</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50549</guid>
		<description>My reply is written in haste as I have a presentation this afternoon and fly to London tonight.

1) She discusses monolarity but it is not a central theme to her. This is a clue to her selective agenda - she picks and chooses the things in the Torah that support her position and greatly avoid things that directly contradict instead of addressing them head-on. 

2) Christianity is not a subject she addresses. Nor is there much about Judaism post the Babylonian Diaspora.  Again, problems with selectivity. This is also when God becomes the supreme good and Satan as the supreme evil. She does not dwell on these points. 

3) I think you are correct about polytheism promoting nationalism, but it is a different dynamic than the one she discusses in her book.

4)  Perhaps you should write something about the differences in the calls for unity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply is written in haste as I have a presentation this afternoon and fly to London tonight.</p>
<p>1) She discusses monolarity but it is not a central theme to her. This is a clue to her selective agenda - she picks and chooses the things in the Torah that support her position and greatly avoid things that directly contradict instead of addressing them head-on. </p>
<p>2) Christianity is not a subject she addresses. Nor is there much about Judaism post the Babylonian Diaspora.  Again, problems with selectivity. This is also when God becomes the supreme good and Satan as the supreme evil. She does not dwell on these points. </p>
<p>3) I think you are correct about polytheism promoting nationalism, but it is a different dynamic than the one she discusses in her book.</p>
<p>4)  Perhaps you should write something about the differences in the calls for unity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50545</link>
		<author>Ash</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50545</guid>
		<description>For what it's worth, I wanted to say that I largely agree with your underlying theme here, even if I disagree somewhat with the theoretical mechanics...I think the effect of monotheism you discuss is a manifestation of instinctive group dynamics, not the other way around. In-group/out-group dynamics are very powerful, and even the "strong" can be swept up by them (and, in my observation, often are). At the same time, an "independent" person can nevertheless seek out and enjoy the fellowship of like-minded people. 

If there is an institution involved, I think there is a balancing act between adequate freedom of opinion (plurality) for flexibility and adequate similarity of opinion (unity) for cohesion. In the case of OTO, Sabazius' call for theological unity was strange and unnecessary (even if one happens to agree with his stance), since the Order at that time was not under threat of dissolving due to an excessive range of opinions (how some people were behaving is debatable, but Sb did not address behavior as a problem). As an organization, the Order thrived (in social and organizational terms...one can debate if it did so in ideological or theological terms) when attention was paid to general principles and practical goals rather than religious beliefs. SWL in the 1990s is a good example of this. Anyway, food for thought. 

Although I no longer apply the title "Thelemite" to myself, I remain curious about why some Thelemites promote singularity of thought and practice. It does seem to be fundamentally contradictory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I wanted to say that I largely agree with your underlying theme here, even if I disagree somewhat with the theoretical mechanics&#8230;I think the effect of monotheism you discuss is a manifestation of instinctive group dynamics, not the other way around. In-group/out-group dynamics are very powerful, and even the &#8220;strong&#8221; can be swept up by them (and, in my observation, often are). At the same time, an &#8220;independent&#8221; person can nevertheless seek out and enjoy the fellowship of like-minded people. </p>
<p>If there is an institution involved, I think there is a balancing act between adequate freedom of opinion (plurality) for flexibility and adequate similarity of opinion (unity) for cohesion. In the case of OTO, Sabazius&#8217; call for theological unity was strange and unnecessary (even if one happens to agree with his stance), since the Order at that time was not under threat of dissolving due to an excessive range of opinions (how some people were behaving is debatable, but Sb did not address behavior as a problem). As an organization, the Order thrived (in social and organizational terms&#8230;one can debate if it did so in ideological or theological terms) when attention was paid to general principles and practical goals rather than religious beliefs. SWL in the 1990s is a good example of this. Anyway, food for thought. </p>
<p>Although I no longer apply the title &#8220;Thelemite&#8221; to myself, I remain curious about why some Thelemites promote singularity of thought and practice. It does seem to be fundamentally contradictory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by Granny Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50524</link>
		<author>Granny Wolf</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50524</guid>
		<description>"I cannot help seeing the naturalized monotheism raise its heads when so-called Thelemites call for unity within Thelema."

If conflict breeds strength, unity divides strength!  Its funny to hear certain people echo democratic secular leaders, who always want to present a united front and pretend that the vastly disperate parts of their very large nations should all have the same ideas and not come into conflict with each other.  I think the really ironic part is that when you have genuine unity and everyone is moving toward the same end, people end up in competition for the same resources and wind up in conflict for a whole bunch of different and less interesting reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I cannot help seeing the naturalized monotheism raise its heads when so-called Thelemites call for unity within Thelema.&#8221;</p>
<p>If conflict breeds strength, unity divides strength!  Its funny to hear certain people echo democratic secular leaders, who always want to present a united front and pretend that the vastly disperate parts of their very large nations should all have the same ideas and not come into conflict with each other.  I think the really ironic part is that when you have genuine unity and everyone is moving toward the same end, people end up in competition for the same resources and wind up in conflict for a whole bunch of different and less interesting reasons.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by Frater Novae Res</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50521</link>
		<author>Frater Novae Res</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50521</guid>
		<description>This sounds like an interesting book. I haven't yet read it, and it seems you've only read a section, so I'm curious as to how Schwartz develops her argument at the point when Christianity comes on the scene. Polytheism supports nationalism too. After all, when there are diverse gods, and each people has its own god or gods, then the result is a kind of plurality, that of nations and peoples. At Judaism's beginning, the Jewish conception of God was not one of monotheism but of monolatry. One of the distinguishing aspects of the development of Judaism (and it's eventual transition into Christianity) is the change from the particular god of a particular people into a single, supreme, universal god for all people. In this we find the theological antecedent of internationalism.

One thing we should keep in mind, as regards unity, is what we mean by "unity," and whether or not it is different from homogeneity. Crowley criticizes all attempts at homogeneity (as they revert to nullity), but I can't think of a direct attack on unity. I think Crowley's own idea of unity is very different from Sabazius' own idea of it. We need to remember this before discarding the notion of unity entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like an interesting book. I haven&#8217;t yet read it, and it seems you&#8217;ve only read a section, so I&#8217;m curious as to how Schwartz develops her argument at the point when Christianity comes on the scene. Polytheism supports nationalism too. After all, when there are diverse gods, and each people has its own god or gods, then the result is a kind of plurality, that of nations and peoples. At Judaism&#8217;s beginning, the Jewish conception of God was not one of monotheism but of monolatry. One of the distinguishing aspects of the development of Judaism (and it&#8217;s eventual transition into Christianity) is the change from the particular god of a particular people into a single, supreme, universal god for all people. In this we find the theological antecedent of internationalism.</p>
<p>One thing we should keep in mind, as regards unity, is what we mean by &#8220;unity,&#8221; and whether or not it is different from homogeneity. Crowley criticizes all attempts at homogeneity (as they revert to nullity), but I can&#8217;t think of a direct attack on unity. I think Crowley&#8217;s own idea of unity is very different from Sabazius&#8217; own idea of it. We need to remember this before discarding the notion of unity entirely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monotheism and its Ideological Analogs by Keith418</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50516</link>
		<author>Keith418</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/314#comment-50516</guid>
		<description>Anyone reading Sabazius's speech &lt;a href="http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/SbSpeech6.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; can see whether or not his "calls for unity" originate in the needs you describe or not. From my point of view, the need for a herd appears obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone reading Sabazius&#8217;s speech <a href="http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/SbSpeech6.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> can see whether or not his &#8220;calls for unity&#8221; originate in the needs you describe or not. From my point of view, the need for a herd appears obvious.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Magical Use of Plants by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/306#comment-50502</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thelema.nu/archives/306#comment-50502</guid>
		<description>Sounds like she was inspired by Richard Allen Millers books: The Magical and Ritual Use of Herbs, The Magical and Ritual use of Aphrodesiacs and The Magical and Ritual use of Perfumes. The latter is based on the qabalistic attributions of 777.  In fact I first got in contact with the OTO in the early eighties through the address for OAK Camp OTO that was published in Magical and Ritual use of Herbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like she was inspired by Richard Allen Millers books: The Magical and Ritual Use of Herbs, The Magical and Ritual use of Aphrodesiacs and The Magical and Ritual use of Perfumes. The latter is based on the qabalistic attributions of 777.  In fact I first got in contact with the OTO in the early eighties through the address for OAK Camp OTO that was published in Magical and Ritual use of Herbs.</p>
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